Check my math on this, all suggestions welcome. The On a recent mailing
\nlist thread the assertion was made (in error, I believe) that a flogger stroke
\nby a particular dominant would "throw" his submissive "three or four feet". I
\nmade an innocuous correctiont hat she must have meant it staggered or knocked
\nher forward.<\/p>\n
Predictably, her dominant came back and told me maybe I should watch them
\nplay before I started engaging in "ill informed speculation". For fun I decided
\nto figure out what it would take to throw someone 3-4 feet with a flogger. Here
\nare the relevant parts of my reply.<\/p>\n
<\/p>\n
\n> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:02 AM
\n\t> To:
\n\tdifferentdesires2@yahoogroups.com<\/a>
\n\t> By: soulhuntre@soulhuntre.com<\/a>
\n\t
\n\t> Subject: Re: [differentdesires2] Re: Fw: punching and slapping..was<\/p>\nYou might want to re-read my initial post, see what I did and did not
\n\tclaim and what I did and did not take objection to. I made no disparaging
\n\tmarks about your skills, toys or the force you can deliver. I corrected a
\n\tsingle word because I felt it left an improper image. The word was "throw".
\n\tIf she had said "pushed", "knocked" or "sent" I wouldn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t have made any
\n\tcomment at all. Picky of me, but I am a picky guy. Further, the original
\n\tcomment was made mostly in jest and for clarification. It was not intended
\n\tas an insult.<\/p>\nThe rest of this post is similarly here for amusement, because you and I
\n\tare saying the same thing in the end – that your stroke staggers or knocks
\n\ther forward. I doubt you mean to imply that your flogger strokes lift her
\n\toff the ground and "throw" her 3-4 feet forward. I am sure from your
\n\tcomments below that you are not speaking of that. Knocking someone over, (as
\n\tyou mentioned) is a much less energy intensive task than throwing someone.<\/p>\nHowever, if we want to take this all that seriously, my point stands. I
\n\tdon\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t need to see you play. There is nothing about your relationship that
\n\tnegates the laws of physics. The math can be fairly simple if we approximate
\n\tlike mad. The mass of the flogger and the speed of the flogger. How much
\n\tenergy would be required to "throw" (that was her word) her mass 4 feet.<\/p>\nLet’s simplify the problem then… the flogger is not solid, so its
\n\tconnection to the handle is effectively irrelevant for this. That means that
\n\tyour mass and speed is not a factor at the moment of impact, only the mass
\n\tand velocity of the flogger "head". Since you cannot continue to push for
\n\tthe same reasons, the force will be applied to her over a very short period
\n\tof time.<\/p>\nLet’s do this in Newtonian physics – surely the relativistic effects
\n\taren\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t important at these energy levels.<\/p>\nThe simplifying assumptions:<\/p>\n
\n
- She is at rest<\/li>\n
- She is perfectly rigid<\/li>\n
- The energy transfer is perfect<\/li>\n
- She only weights 100lbs or about 45kg<\/li>\n
- She is "thrown" 3-4 feet, simplified down to 1 meter<\/li>\n
- She is in the "air" for 1 second<\/li>\n
- You are on Earth<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n
So, to overcome gravity, she needs to be moving upwards at 9.8m\/s^2
\n\t(approx). Since we will be moving her forwards at only 1m\/s^2, the sum of
\n\tthose forces is… (9.8 * 1) * (sqr(2)\/2)) or 10.8 m\/s^2 * .70 = 7.56m\/s^2
\n\tif we assume your flogger stroke hit her at the optimum angle. <\/p>\nLet’s figure out how fast the flogger would need to be going… since we
\n\tare only tracking this in the first second of the event, we will look at
\n\tthese as absolute speeds and not accelerations (m\/s not m\/s^2) as it’s more
\n\tintuitive.<\/p>\nm1 * v1 = m2 * v2 or
\n\t45kg * 7.56m\/s = 2.27kg * x m\/s
\n\t340.2 = 2.27 * x
\n\t340.2 \/ 2.27 = 149.86 m\/s<\/p>\nSo a 5 pound flogger is moving at 149.86 meters \/ second… 149.86 * 60 *
\n\t60 = 539,496 meters an hour, or 529.49 kilometers an hour, or 335.22
\n\tmiles per hour<\/b><\/i>. In order to "throw" your good lady 3-4 feet, the
\n\tfollowing would have to be true:<\/p>\n\n
- Your flogger hit at the perfect angle (almost straight up under her
\n\t\tass)<\/li>\n- Your flogger perfectly transferred all its energy<\/li>\n
- She was perfectly rigid, with no give in her body<\/li>\n
- You hit her at exactly her center of rotation<\/li>\n
- Your flogger was moving in excess of 335.22 miles per hour<\/li>\n
- She is made of titanium because that impact should break her bones
\n\t\twhen it happens<\/li>\n<\/ul>\nThere may be some flaws in my simplification – but the fundamentals
\n\tstand.<\/p>\nYou could not generate the power needed with your flogger to "throw" her
\n\t3-4 feet. Even if you could, you would injure her seriously with each
\n\tstroke.And that is all assuming perfect conditions… in reality the energy
\n\ttransfer is much less and the action of her body would be to fold around the
\n\timpact, not get thrown.<\/p>\nI don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t need to "see" you play to know this. The rules of the universe
\n\tcontinue to apply, even in dungeons.<\/p>\n[he asserts that he is capable of knocking her over]<\/i><\/p>\n
An entirely different assertion, and one I already said in my post to her
\n\twhen this all started I agreed with. Dude.<\/p>\n[the comment that all I have is ill informed speculation]<\/i><\/p>\n
Yeah, the big problem with physics is how speculative it is. Before you
\n\tget offended by something I say, make sure you know what I said \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Check my math on this, all suggestions welcome. The On a recent mailing list thread the assertion was made (in error, I believe) that a flogger stroke by a particular dominant would "throw" his submissive "three or four feet". I made an innocuous correctiont hat she must have meant it staggered or knocked her forward. […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":53163,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"aside","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[278],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/legacyiamsenseiken.local\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2593"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/legacyiamsenseiken.local\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/legacyiamsenseiken.local\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/legacyiamsenseiken.local\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/legacyiamsenseiken.local\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2593"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/legacyiamsenseiken.local\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2593\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/legacyiamsenseiken.local\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/53163"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/legacyiamsenseiken.local\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2593"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/legacyiamsenseiken.local\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2593"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/legacyiamsenseiken.local\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2593"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}